eager intel beaver

[Bokranator]

i know its been about 1 hr and 46 mins of july 22 but not only is today me and my gf's 6 month aniversaire... its INTEL PRICE CUT DAY. Does anyone know where i can find the uk price cuts?

[Dr. V]

Oo it's still 8:47PM July 21st here in Toronto!

[Bokranator]

oh how time flies when you missing someone special/playing wii bowling/eating more haribos then you shud lol. I wonder when they wil change the prices on aria and scan...

[Dr. V]

Originally Posted by Bokranator

oh how time flies when you missing someone special/playing wii bowling/eating more haribos then you shud lol. I wonder when they wil change the prices on aria and scan...

Well it's a global price drop...

And I wish I had my Wii so I could know the feeling...can't get it yet

But soon enough!

[Bokranator]

hurry and join the wiivilution (why does that sound evil hmm lol) and i got myn 3 months ago and im loving it... now i just need to save up for a serious gamming pc then im set hehe.

Iim in a wondering mood though as i still dont get the bottleneck theory on gaming performance and cpu speed i mean i understand the speed related to how much data can be processed but i mean for me its either an e6850 or a q6600 the defining thing will be if ill benifit more from which.

with the e6850:

benifits:
- better then my nasty p4 lol
- dual processing
- stock at 3.0 Ghz (this is good as im not a confident overclocker)

cons:
- 1333mhz worries me for some reason i feel it will be bottlenecked.
- the bios will have to be updated and im unsure about how to do that on a fresh build... with the motherboard comming with an incompatable bios preloaded.
- i have 2gb 667 ram does that equal 1:2 memory dividers?
- vista has enough problems at the mo im sure it dont need an ufo processor problem too.


With the Q6600

benifits:
- MUCH more then my nasty p4
- quad processing
- doesnt it feel nice to trick the lesser knowledgable that u have a 9.6 Ghz cpu hehe.
- the e6600 was a firm favorite for overclocking (even doe i dare not do such alone lol)
- goes str8 in the mobo no probs with bios.

Cons:
- ive always said power corrupts but is 2.4Ghz enough to run games decently im talking the likes of crysis here...?
- my nasty p4 runs at 3.2 Ghz stock... so the Q6600 feels like a downgrade for some reason.
- im not a confident overclocker.
- the main reason im doing this build is to reduce heat i heard that the quads have a tdp of 130w... is that hot like p4 hot?

Im sorry if these q's have been asked time and time again but im sure once more wont hurt lol

[gvblake22]

With the e6850:

Originally Posted by Bokranator

benifits:
- better then my nasty p4 lol
- dual processing
- stock at 3.0 Ghz (this is good as im not a confident overclocker)

-Yes, most definitely
-Dual core
-Very fast clock speed on this one, will surely give you top notch gaming performance without fear of bottlenecks.

Originally Posted by Bokranator

cons:
- 1333mhz worries me for some reason i feel it will be bottlenecked.
- the bios will have to be updated and im unsure about how to do that on a fresh build... with the motherboard comming with an incompatable bios preloaded.
- i have 2gb 667 ram does that equal 1:2 memory dividers?
- vista has enough problems at the mo im sure it dont need an ufo processor problem too.

-It looks like you have a G33 based motherboard, which supports 1333MHz FSB processors. This is not a bottleneck in any way, shape, or form. These are the fastest desktop processors Intel has ever had so far and they will not be a bottleneck.
-Again, you have a G33 based motherboard which supports 1333MHz processors right out of the box, so you shouldn't have to update the BIOS just to run the E6850.
-DDR2-667 RAM is will actually be run 1:1 with the processor's FSB because Intel uses a "quad-pumped" FSB, so you essentially divide the FSB by 4 to get the actual speed of the RAM (which is approximately 333MHz or DDR2-667). Again, no bottlenecks here!
-I have no idea what you are trying to say here, sorry...

With the Q6600:

Originally Posted by Bokranator

benifits:
- MUCH more then my nasty p4
- quad processing
- doesnt it feel nice to trick the lesser knowledgable that u have a 9.6 Ghz cpu hehe.
- the e6600 was a firm favorite for overclocking (even doe i dare not do such alone lol)
- goes str8 in the mobo no probs with bios.

-Good performance for sure, but at stock speeds/settings, the E6850 will outperform the Q6600 in most benchmarks because of the faster core clock speed (particularly in gaming). There just aren't enough applications optimized to take advantage of even two cores very well, let alone four.
-Quad core
-ummm, not really, sorry.
-Overclocking adventures can really be had on any chip...
-With the motherboard you have, you shouldn't have any problems with any chip currently available.

Originally Posted by Bokranator

Cons:
- ive always said power corrupts but is 2.4Ghz enough to run games decently im talking the likes of crysis here...?
- my nasty p4 runs at 3.2 Ghz stock... so the Q6600 feels like a downgrade for some reason.
- im not a confident overclocker.
- the main reason im doing this build is to reduce heat i heard that the quads have a tdp of 130w... is that hot like p4 hot?

-Yes, a 2.4GHz Core 2 Duo or Core 2 Quatro processor will give you great performance, even in games. You have to remember that games are most reliant on the video card, not the processor. You need a fast processor, but your video card is almost always going to be the bottleneck when it comes to gaming performance.
-It's most definitely not a downgrade, don't get caught up in the MHz myth!
-No worries, that's why we're here to help you!
-Yes, that is hot, you'll definitely want to upgrade the stock cooler if you either plan on overclocking or have poor airflow in your case.

[Bokranator]

Firstly, thank you for answering my post.

Secondly, do you think it wil ever get to a point where the core 2 duo line will be obsolete in the face of quad processing.

Thirdly, yay for 667mhz ram... i have a pair of 1 gb crucial balistix lined up will they do the job? and by quad pumped u mean the fsb is 333mhz and the ram is 333mhz at stock so they shud go hand in hand? btw what is the benifit of running the memory divider at 1:1?

[gvblake22]

Originally Posted by Bokranator

Firstly, thank you for answering my post.

That's what we're here for

Originally Posted by Bokranator

Secondly, do you think it wil ever get to a point where the core 2 duo line will be obsolete in the face of quad processing.

Oh definitely. Hardware and technology always seems to have some kind of finite lifespan. Eventually there may be some crazy new operating system or application that requires some new kind of processor technology, but none of us can ever predict when and how something like this is going to happen. I could ramble on about technology lifespans, but I can confidently say that either of those Core 2 processors will do you very well for many years to come.

Originally Posted by Bokranator

Thirdly, yay for 667mhz ram... i have a pair of 1 gb crucial balistix lined up will they do the job?

That RAM should work just fine. The Ballistix is good stuff and would probably be willing to even overclock a fair amount for ya if you wanted to try.

Originally Posted by Bokranator

and by quad pumped u mean the fsb is 333mhz and the ram is 333mhz at stock so they shud go hand in hand?

To be perfectly honest, I don't know exactly how the technology works, but I think it essentially just runs the bus speed between the processor, RAM, and north bridge at four times the speed of the RAM.

Originally Posted by Bokranator

btw what is the benifit of running the memory divider at 1:1?

With older processors (particularly Athlon XP) performance was much better when the processor's FSB was running at the same speed as the RAM so there are no bottlenecks. but since AMD's memory controller has been put on the processor, memory dividers really don't affect performance quite like it used to. On the Intel side, the memory controller is still located on the northbridge of the chipset, but now with the faster FSB and DDR2 memory speeds, running memory dividers (again) doesn't usually have any major performance hit.

So to answer your question, there isn't a particular reason to keep a 1:1 memory divider any more. It is more of a preference among long time hard core overclockers because it is usually faster to get a higher processor clock speed by having a higher FSB than a higher multiplier. With the Intel processors having such a high FSB to begin with, and the motherboards overclocking so well, it is nothing anymore to hit a 400MHz FSB overclock. At 400MHz, that is the speed of DDR2-800 memory, so you can run it 1:1 and have a very streamlined system with all the buses to the northbridge running at the same fast speed.

[Yellowhello]

Yay, price cuts.

[Reloadron]

update As it introduces the low-cost Celeron and two high-end versions of the Pentium II, Intel(INTC) will cut prices tomorrow on existing Pentium II processors.
A scheduled price action will accompany the unveiling of Celeron and the 350-MHz and 400-MHz Pentium IIs, according to an Intel spokesman.
The round of discounts will be Intel's third in the first four months of 1998, and it certainly won't be the last. The company cut the cost of its 333-MHz Pentium II late last month and all processor prices at the end of January.
While Intel has historically cut prices just once every quarter to make way for newer, faster processors, the company has started to stagger its actions throughout the year, said sources inside the chipmaker. Notebook processor prices, for instance, will be cut independently of desktop or server prices. The new pricing strategy is designed to fit with the company's increasing focus on market segmentation.
Even under a staggered price cut calendar, desktop processor prices will likely be the segment that's reduced the most in 1998. Plummeting PC prices are forcing Intel to develop cheaper chips for the desktop arena. At the same time, the desktop is the only segment where Advanced Micro Devices and Cyrix pose a substantial competitive challenge to Intel.
After tomorrow's price cuts, the most expensive Intel desktop chip will cost under $500. Upcoming server chips are expected to start at around $2,000. Intel's priciest notebook chip currently sells for $696. The 333-MHz Pentium will be reduced from Upcoming Intel chip pricing MHz Feb/Mar April Pentium II450 upcoming $750 (July) 400 upcoming $800 350 upcoming $609 333 $722-$583 $483 300 $530 $368 266 $375 $242 233 $268 $194 266
Celeron upcoming $152-$104 Pentium MMX233 $135 $100 200 $100 $100 166 $95 below $100 $583 to $483 in quantities of 1,000, according to sources, a steep decline from its January debut price of $722. Meanwhile, the 300-MHz version will fall to $368 from $530, while the low-end 233-MHz version will drop to $194 from $268.

April 14th 1998! See the prices have been cut!


Ron