Rising cost of food rant

[Smashing]

Originally Posted by polobunny

This is the reason why you're not taking important decisions.

My 2 cents.

Just because you make a snide comment about my decision "taking" abilities does not make you correct. That is fine though, big business wants you to stay ignorant. Do your research before countering someone who has.

[PTRMAN]

Sorry - anytime government gives money to one group it gets political.

[polobunny]

Originally Posted by Smashing

Just because you make a snide comment about my decision "taking" abilities does not make you correct. That is fine though, big business wants you to stay ignorant. Do your research before countering someone who has.

Neither does your ability to "do your research" makes you correct, anyway.

But hey, you're probably right. Recycling all that paper probably is something bad, instead we should continue cutting down some trees that take a few decades to grow...

[screwballl]

For every 3 foot stack of newspaper recycled, it prevents a single tree from being cut down. It may not reduce the amount of pollution put out by the recycling plant but it saves some trees and the extra trees can soak up much of the extra pollution anyways...
and remember, trees take in CO2 and release oxygen, so as CO2 increases world wide, the stronger and faster plants grow and release more oxygen to keep the balance... but as a counter-point, the plants have increased their production so much over the past several hundred years that now that we have reduced our CO2 output, the trees are still taking the increased amount in which is causing global cooling due to reduced CO2... it will take them another 100-200 years to really decrease their intake and production so we are liekly to see some of the coldest winters in recorded history starting any year now.

[sbohdan]

Originally Posted by PTRMAN

This is the article that set me off today. I've seen a lot of other headlines about it but I finally had to comment.

Food Crisis Starts Eclipsing Climate Change Worries | The New York Sun

Why is our government supporting the use of biofuels? Isn't it better left to the private sector to come up with solutions to polution? And before all those "big oil" haters get started just remember that big oil doesn't control everyone; even if they are holding back progress to line their pockets there are a lot of other people with money and good ideas who owe nothing to "big oil" and thus are likely to succeed in the end.

one fact to consider: bioethanol has about 70% less emissions, then gas (and no CO at all)
two: it costs about a third less and also reduces our dependency on gas. If you noticed lately oil is being used more and more frequently as a blackmail tool in politics (russia vs. ukraine and vs. western europe and also by the arab countries as well). I also don't think this would be the final answer to the energy question but it is a good solution until there is a better one to get rid of oil for good.

[gvblake22]

Originally Posted by sbohdan

one fact to consider: bioethanol has about 70% less emissions, then gas (and no CO at all)

I think it is understood that ethanol engine emissions are much cleaner and far less than compared to gas, but it's the ethanol production process that many people are saying costs a lot in terms of emissions and material (corn).

And let's keep this thread on topic: Ethanol and food prduction. Not Politics. Not Recycling. Not foreign affairs.

[Smashing]

Originally Posted by screwballl

For every 3 foot stack of newspaper recycled, it prevents a single tree from being cut down. It may not reduce the amount of pollution put out by the recycling plant but it saves some trees and the extra trees can soak up much of the extra pollution anyways...
and remember, trees take in CO2 and release oxygen, so as CO2 increases world wide, the stronger and faster plants grow and release more oxygen to keep the balance... but as a counter-point, the plants have increased their production so much over the past several hundred years that now that we have reduced our CO2 output, the trees are still taking the increased amount in which is causing global cooling due to reduced CO2... it will take them another 100-200 years to really decrease their intake and production so we are liekly to see some of the coldest winters in recorded history starting any year now.

Most trees that are cut down and "slaughtered" are pine trees from tree farms. Once again, mass propaganda has led you astray. Next thing we know people will want to recycle potatoes so we don't have to "slaughter" more to feed people. Trees are farmed just like wheat, rice, and grain. Get over it. Also when you recycle paper you have a residue that resembles tar, this is incredibly toxic and good for nothing but, you guessed it, burning. Methane from a medium sized landfill can power roughly 60,000 homes. Also, methane is one of the cleanest burning fuels known to man.

[qazwsx]

Originally Posted by Smashing

Methane from a medium sized landfill can power roughly 60,000 homes. Also, methane is one of the cleanest burning fuels known to man.

yes, but most the methane from landfill sites is just vented into the air, and methane has 23 times the global warming potency of carbon dioxide.

Back on topic; Food prices are and the rise, which is a problem, but I doubt this is all because of corn. Due to the floods here in the UK, alot of crops were ruined across the country. This in turn did see a small increase in price.

As for biofuels, It seems good on paper, but you have to look at: The workforce needed to keep production of corn up; the areas to grow this (doesnt seem a problem in the US but is for the UK) and the effect on the price of food. I feel that the biofuel trend is'nt good for long term, but may help ease the preasure put on by oil and gas.

My $0.02

[Smashing]

Originally Posted by qazwsx

yes, but most the methane from landfill sites is just vented into the air, and methane has 23 times the global warming potency of carbon dioxide.

Back on topic; Food prices are and the rise, which is a problem, but I doubt this is all because of corn. Due to the floods here in the UK, alot of crops were ruined across the country. This in turn did see a small increase in price.

As for biofuels, It seems good on paper, but you have to look at: The workforce needed to keep production of corn up; the areas to grow this (doesnt seem a problem in the US but is for the UK) and the effect on the price of food. I feel that the biofuel trend is'nt good for long term, but may help ease the preasure put on by oil and gas.

My $0.02

Methane isn't processed properly because tools think recycling is more efficient.

[gvblake22]

Seriously guys, this is the last warning to stay on topic.