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[MantaBase]

Originally Posted by Capper

Well, my night got really exciting a bit ago......the police helicopter was flying overhead, I look =out the back window and some black guy is scaling our wall. Went downstairs to intervene, and he had already made it around front and was headed up the street.....now the Wife and dog are both scared.

I'm trying to get about 5 things done at once, line up articles, and help people......IO couldn't imagine not having the guys i have helping out.

When did you move to my side of town?

J/K....lock those doors!

Have a good night if possible meester.

I off... and BTW - I hear the copper.

[Capper]

I watched him try to get into the neighbors house, which is when i went downstairs....trying to open my door would have been his worst/last mistake.

[polobunny]

Originally Posted by Capper

I do need a rest, but unfortunately I have too much stuff that needs to be done.

I have no problem with questions, or a comment here or there.......but when it turns into questioning/criticizing almost constantly, it wears thin. This was the issue i had last week with the person in the thermal compound thread.......all logic went out the window and it got to the point where it was 'Did you measure each thermal compound to make sure you were using precisely the exact same amount each time?"......seriously.

I think our reviews are extremely accurate, and well done....I take a lot of pride in the time and effort that goes into everything we do, and I think our results are validated by the results others see. As far as the test bench, its impossible to have several different parts on hand, especially when we give almost everything away, and stuff like processors come out of pocket.

Having said that, almost all of my reviews have been done with an E6850 and an 80GB SATA II HDD. Hardly what I'd call cutting edge. I did recently switch to an 8800GTX, but that card died and its back to an 8800GTS.

I do use a QX6850 in some reviews, for the fact that it runs hotter than most any processor, and the unlocked multiplier allows me to emulate most any processor.

I can only agree with you Capper. I've always found the numbers and indications provided by HL to be accurate. I'm not sure if I mentioned it already, but that's not something I'm throwing directly at HL too. This is just something that seems to occur every so often.


Also Manta, I just re-read your paragraph. I'm glad you understand my point in providing more "system oriented" benchmarks. However it's not only that that I'm trying to explain. In certain cases (video cards again for example) there's not a tons of applications out there to reliably test them. The most common applications will be games that are recent or use a certain function (DX10, if you wanted to test DX10 performance for example). There's also those synthetic benchmarks such as the 3DMark series.
Always taking video cards as the example, can you say that those popular synthetic benchmark applications and games use solely the video card?
I'm not surprising anyone in saying most games don't use the video card only. :P Certain games will be more CPU and RAM intensive, some more video card dependant.
As for synthetic benchmarks, it depends greatly on the application. One of the most commonly used for recent video cards would be 3DMark06, which takes CPU score into consideration. Most reviews seem to report the final score.
If they have a much bigger system than I do, it becomes somewhat hard for me to judge the true performance of this video card. Same goes for games that are more CPU and RAM intensive. :)

[Capper]

Again, I'm sorry for being grumpy....I'm going to bed and will refrain from posting again tonight.

[polobunny]

Originally Posted by Capper

Again, I'm sorry for being grumpy....I'm going to bed and will refrain from posting again tonight.

Watch out for that black spiderman. He might be after your lucky charms!

[MantaBase]

Originally Posted by polobunny

Always taking video cards as the example, can you say that those popular synthetic benchmark applications and games use solely the video card?
I'm not surprising anyone in saying most games don't use the video card only. :P Certain games will be more CPU and RAM intensive, some more video card dependant.
As for synthetic benchmarks, it depends greatly on the application. One of the most commonly used for recent video cards would be 3DMark06, which takes CPU score into consideration. Most reviews seem to report the final score.
If they have a much bigger system than I do, it becomes somewhat hard for me to judge the true performance of this video card. Same goes for games that are more CPU and RAM intensive. :)

No, they don't, which is why you try to use a system that isolates whatever component you are trying to review. Or, a bench that is focused. For example I wrote a bench that only tests the CPU - it uses less than 512K of ram and test only the simple math aspects of the processor.
But, If I use it on a system with less than 512 of RAM, I might be testing the RAM - not the processor.

I;'m not making excuses - just trying to explain. There is no bench system that quantitatively tracks resource use in a manner that will give good data for us to tell you what you want. Part of that is simply the reality of our technology. COnfounding that is the fact that Windows and OSX (the two mainstream OS's) are closed systems that don't allow even a savvy programmer to seperate out individual processes easily.

Anyways, I'm off for the rest of the evening Bunny. Maybe you should become a programmer and make us the tools?

[Stormcrow]

And buy me the cards for testing, I wont mind a bit.

[polobunny]

Originally Posted by MantaBase

No, they don't, which is why you try to use a system that isolates whatever component you are trying to review. Or, a bench that is focused. For example I wrote a bench that only tests the CPU - it uses less than 512K of ram and test only the simple math aspects of the processor.
But, If I use it on a system with less than 512 of RAM, I might be testing the RAM - not the processor.

I;'m not making excuses - just trying to explain. There is no bench system that quantitatively tracks resource use in a manner that will give good data for us to tell you what you want. Part of that is simply the reality of our technology. COnfounding that is the fact that Windows and OSX (the two mainstream OS's) are closed systems that don't allow even a savvy programmer to seperate out individual processes easily.

Anyways, I'm off for the rest of the evening Bunny. Maybe you should become a programmer and make us the tools?

Yeah, it's a bit about the lack of ways to properly test some components I guess.
Hey if I knew anything about coding a benchmark application, and coding in some very basic language to be able to keep the overhead as low as possible and only bench the component in question, I'm sure I could be making money selling this software. :P