Brett Favre - Out of retirement to play more ball

[Boy'nBlack]

Originally Posted by azianai

So let me ask you then, will you carry 4 QBs on your team? Because if not those 2 drafted QBs will be wasted.

No, but it's not rare to have that many during training camp. This, again, is not a new thing man. You trim down your team to somewhere between the minimal and maximum player count. You can have 1,000 players if you want during camp. If you have the entire draft saved up and are the only one picking, you can do that too. You don't sign players right away. Those backup's you talk about, could be cut even without the Favre deal going on.

There's been two seasons of training camp on HBO. Very worth watching, because it sounds like you're confused on this very issue. You seldom keep your draft picks, and you don't draft 2 QB's and think for a second they're all staying on.[quote=azianai;129654]The problem is with Favre making it this public, noone's going to offer anything of value in return. Would you trade Favre for a 6th round pick?[quote=azianai;129654]No way, I'd offer more than that. If I needed a QB, and many teams do, I'd pay and trade to get a guy of that calibre. It's a far stretch to say 2 weeks of talking are making owners and coaches think less of him. Proof? TO, CJ, and KJ. If you can play, and this guy can...and more...they play.

Originally Posted by azianai

Besides him doing this basically screwed Aaron Rogers, Rogers is gonna be booed the 1st mistake he makes. How's that good for the team again?

He's already been booed. Twice. This is NOT new, once again, and not a Packer's thing. Brett Favre was booed at Atlanta, trade him, try someone else. Ty Detmer was booed so much that they played their first round pick Tim Couch. He was booed so much they replaced him the the playoffs, then traded the next year. Daemon Huerd was booed his first game, and then you know how that turned out the rest of the year. So it's not about being booed. Even Elway was hated his entire first two years.

Originally Posted by azianai

Let me ask you, if it was Vinny Testaverde asking for the comeback for the Jets, would you do it? Or if lets say Aikman wanted to come back for the Cowboys, would you bench Romo for him?

This year? No. When they were still fresh and played the year before...yes, if they qualified. You're not going to pull Jim freaking Brown back to play for anyone if he wanted to. That's a loaded debate offered up and not a parallel to this.

What is different here is that they didn't have time left on the contract. So let's talk about that. Why in the heck are the packers in this situation? Because there is time on Favre's contract, and nothing more. They thought it was a good idea to sign him for three years, even knowing he had the idea to retire...twice now, right? They should have then offered 1 or two year extensions...not three or four. It's no different than a car. If you sign the contract for 5 years at so and so payments, you can't just say "Oh, I don't want it" and blame it on the car. Or event these housing deals where people just make bad contracts. This is what you do, just like Emmit Smith, Kurt Warner, or nameless others that have done this in the past before this "new" thing came into your spotlight.

Packers took the risk, and are now dealing with it. If he'd never retired, it'd be no different. That's my viewpoint. At some time, they thought he was worth the contract they wrote and both signed on to. You trade Brett Favre, and that's the only real choice.

Now Brett did say he'd not play backup, but that's also not his choice. If he really wants to stand by that, that's good for the Packers. If he's truthful and really won't stand to be backup, then he holds out and his contract gets major hits for doing so. They would stand the opertunity to not pay that year, the ability to force Free Agency, or even release. If the Packers force that issue, Brett won't come back and the hardball game is over...null and void. It's not going to go away, and they can't refuse to let him come back. And there's ways to go about this that won't hurt the team at all, then Favre only hurts himself.

Football is all business.

[Boy'nBlack]

Originally Posted by theburan

Personally, I'd love to see Farve playing in GB next year. I love Farve, and I love GB (which is why there's a green bay stock certificate sitting down in my basement, and why you wont see the Packers getting sold anytime soon. Fan ownership, woohoo!).

I think many feel that way, and if he can bring Randy Moss with him? Man...I can't imagine any person that loves the gold and green, or any head office person would not incourage that.

Originally Posted by theburan

On that same note, Rodgers played pretty darn good against the cowboys last year... with the receivers and offense in general the packers had, you don't need to make alot of big plays. Just get the ball to someone and let the magic happen.

The problems with these QB's are that the other teams haven't made plays on these new players. There's no tape, there's no reads, and there's no data. Most new QB's come in and look very good, and that's mainly due to the other defences having very little info to go off of.

I'm a Browns fan, but football fan above that. I am in the rare majority that thinks Derek Alexander was this very fluke. Quinn looked good, but the same fluke Alexander faced. And when you're stacked with targets like they are, it's not all that hard to hit any of them and do so consistantly. And this year is even better with yet another target in Stallworth. Huerd in KC had the same first year feel, but the second year?

Anyone can also look bad and could be good if you gave them the tools. Kelly Holcomb, Charlie Frye, Trent Dilfer...all could have been better, but they just look horrible behind a horrible O-line that couldn't keep them on their feet, or even give them a pocket to play in. I believe Tim Couch set a record by being sacked more times in a year, and for a total of 166 times in 4 years (137 in 3 full years as a starter). Yet, he probably could have been better than we let on. We'll never know that though.

Originally Posted by theburan

No matter what happens though, Packers are winning the North this year! Heck, even with Rodgers they can go to the superbowl.

If the Vikings didn't do so many huge and gainful moves this past off season, I'd agree. Favre, Rodgers, or any QB they pick are going to have to keep Jared Allen from planting grass in their face mask...and tilling it, and watering it, and cultivating corn from it at the end of the year. They guy's random, quick, and just get's at them. He's just scary, and if you can't throw...you better run...the other side, which is then stacked. If he stays off the booze, that's pretty much more than a play maker, but a game maker. Green Bay may have to go back to the old Power Plays of long ago.

[Zambini]

BustedTees*-*Free*Favre

[azianai]

BRETT FAVRE IS A JETS!!!!
LOL YAY WE'LL STILL SUCK!

[theburan]

Blah, the jets? Coulda at least gone to the bucs.... I don't know what it is about the jets, but i just dunno.

Go Packers!

[azianai]

cause the jets were the only team that was as far away from the NFC possible? lol

[screwballl]

The Jets may actually break .250 this year...
Regardless where he is, I am still a Favre fan second and a Packers fan first. He saw he couldn't stay away from the game he loves (like many of us here keep going back to CS:S or COD4 or BF2/2142)...

[azianai]

hell we'll either be over .500, or set the record for most sacks/ints taken/thrown by a QB

[Hitman]

[screwballl]

Originally Posted by azianai

hell we'll either be over .500, or set the record for most sacks/ints taken/thrown by a QB

thats not Favre... he holds the most records (that actually matter) over any other QB in history... when there is a QB that has played that much and can handle more throws than most out there, there will be more interceptions... but also more completions and successful plays...

thats like driving a car... the more you drive the better chance of something bad happening (yeah I know bad analogy)