HL's E6850 OC Experience - Page 2

Elysium · August 21st, 2007

Did you only test one CPU? Maybe it was just a "bad" CPU.....................

Capper · August 21st, 2007

Quakindude · August 21st, 2007

Rich....it's all good brother. I understand your mindset now that I've had a nap.

I just wonder if Intel isn't "unofficially" hamstringing some of the newer processors to help keep the upper clocked line in a more desirable market position. This is totally conjecture on my part of course.

The alternative is that Intel is slipping on their production QA compared to this same time period last year.

Or maybe the newer processors, now firmly entrenched in the enthusiast community again, aren't being made to as "flexible" as before. I can think of at least 10 different reasons a corporate decision could be made to go in this direction with their products.

We can sit and postulate about the reasons all day long. It still doesn't help the fact that the first couple iterations were excellent overclockers and now, all of a sudden, these newer and better cores aren't overclocking as well and Intel just says..."It overclocks beyond stock, so be happy with that."

I'd be a little pissed to expect my sleeper style station wagon Vega with a 454 big block to do 10 seconds flat in the 1/4 only to find out the secondaries are stuck closed from the manufacturer. Now I have this big, bad ass engine that's hamstrung. Like it has been governed.

Too bad you can't put fuel injection on what should be a sure thing.

Capper · August 22nd, 2007

After receiving a few emails on the issue, and seeing responses around different forums, I'd like to clarify a few things.

First, this processor does run the rated speed, so in all honesty there is no reason to RMA it. However, I do have a reason to gripe, and i think a very valid point.

No OC results are guaranteed, but if there is a flaw in the processor that prevents people from tinkering, and finding the best combination of memory and motherboard settings, why would people buy it? Why would i recommend it, and what is wrong with me pointing out the issue? I've been doing this for quite awhile, and as I said, am working with several motherboard companies on the issue. I'd also like to point out the fact (as judging by emails, some people missed the point), that I switched out the processor with both a Q6600 and E6600 and was able to push the FSB much further.

I think my big gripe, as I said, was the response and general "F U" attitude I got from the INTEL person I talked to. Knowing we're a review site, and that we bought this processor for motherboard reviews.....how hard would it have been to simply say "Hey, you got a bad one, let us make it right".....instead, we get the response we did, which is a red flag to me that theres another issue here.

Dr. V · August 22nd, 2007

The whole point is that ALL these chips MUST be "flawed" in the way described by Capper. Also, all the points you make are extremely valid and should definitely be considered. No, there is nothing WRONG with the chip, no, it isn't a valid reason to RMA it or anything like that. BUT, the 'problem' you've been experiencing IS a valid discussion topic, and DEFINITELY an aspect of the chip that should be considered before being purchased by anyone.

**One4yu2c** · August 22nd, 2007

Article's been updated at the bottom - have a peek.

Dr. V · August 22nd, 2007

Article? I'm lost..

Jokerswild · August 22nd, 2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by ST!X

Article? I'm lost..

Here. HL's OC experience with INTEL's Core 2 Duo E6850

Lead Head · August 22nd, 2007

Interesting bug to say the least, one thing I'm not sure if you considered or not is that when you set the FSB to 415, some part of CPU has to be running at 415MHz, not necessarily the execution core, but a part of it that communicates with the FSB, maybe its possible that one little piece cannot operate at that speed, effecting the rest of the CPU? I know RangerXLT said that at one time his Pentium D would not run at stock speeds anymore, but ran fine OCed. Very weird, his might not be on the budget, but could you try getting another E6850 and see if the results are similar?

Jokerswild · August 22nd, 2007

Thats an expensive piece of hardware to buy just to confirm it sucks. I would think we'll see more reports before long about this problem.

August 21st, 2007	#11
Elysium Fields Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Pacific Grove, CA Posts: 4,459	Re: Stop me if you've heard this one........ Did you only test one CPU? Maybe it was just a "bad" CPU.....................

August 21st, 2007	#12
Capper We take both criticism and positive comments very positively Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 6,200 Blog Entries: 6	Re: Stop me if you've heard this one........ INTEL QX9650 // Gigabyte EP45 Extreme // 8GB PC2-8500 // BFG GTX260 MaxCore // DD Torture Rack // Seagate 750GB HDD // OCZ Vendetta // PC Power & Cooling 620W PSU

August 21st, 2007	#13
Quakindude I'm Diggin it! Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Fort Rucker, AL. Posts: 2,767 Blog Entries: 7	Re: Stop me if you've heard this one........ Rich....it's all good brother. I understand your mindset now that I've had a nap. I just wonder if Intel isn't "unofficially" hamstringing some of the newer processors to help keep the upper clocked line in a more desirable market position. This is totally conjecture on my part of course. The alternative is that Intel is slipping on their production QA compared to this same time period last year. Or maybe the newer processors, now firmly entrenched in the enthusiast community again, aren't being made to as "flexible" as before. I can think of at least 10 different reasons a corporate decision could be made to go in this direction with their products. We can sit and postulate about the reasons all day long. It still doesn't help the fact that the first couple iterations were excellent overclockers and now, all of a sudden, these newer and better cores aren't overclocking as well and Intel just says..."It overclocks beyond stock, so be happy with that." I'd be a little pissed to expect my sleeper style station wagon Vega with a 454 big block to do 10 seconds flat in the 1/4 only to find out the secondaries are stuck closed from the manufacturer. Now I have this big, bad ass engine that's hamstrung. Like it has been governed. Too bad you can't put fuel injection on what should be a sure thing. Q6600@ 3.2GHz w/ CNPS9700 \| EVGA 780i \| 4Gb Patriot Extreme DDR2-800 5-5-5-12 \| EVGA GTX 280 1Gb Video \| 1x WD 640Gb HDD, 2x Seagate 400Gb HDD, 1x250Gb WD \| 2x Samsung SH-203B Opticals \| Antec 900 \| ABS/Tagan BZ700 700W PSU \| Zalman ZM-MFC1 Fan Controller

August 22nd, 2007	#14
Capper We take both criticism and positive comments very positively Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 6,200 Blog Entries: 6	Re: Stop me if you've heard this one........ After receiving a few emails on the issue, and seeing responses around different forums, I'd like to clarify a few things. First, this processor does run the rated speed, so in all honesty there is no reason to RMA it. However, I do have a reason to gripe, and i think a very valid point. No OC results are guaranteed, but if there is a flaw in the processor that prevents people from tinkering, and finding the best combination of memory and motherboard settings, why would people buy it? Why would i recommend it, and what is wrong with me pointing out the issue? I've been doing this for quite awhile, and as I said, am working with several motherboard companies on the issue. I'd also like to point out the fact (as judging by emails, some people missed the point), that I switched out the processor with both a Q6600 and E6600 and was able to push the FSB much further. I think my big gripe, as I said, was the response and general "F U" attitude I got from the INTEL person I talked to. Knowing we're a review site, and that we bought this processor for motherboard reviews.....how hard would it have been to simply say "Hey, you got a bad one, let us make it right".....instead, we get the response we did, which is a red flag to me that theres another issue here. INTEL QX9650 // Gigabyte EP45 Extreme // 8GB PC2-8500 // BFG GTX260 MaxCore // DD Torture Rack // Seagate 750GB HDD // OCZ Vendetta // PC Power & Cooling 620W PSU

August 22nd, 2007	#15
Dr. V Yes - the Doctor is back. Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,829	Re: Stop me if you've heard this one........ The whole point is that ALL these chips MUST be "flawed" in the way described by Capper. Also, all the points you make are extremely valid and should definitely be considered. No, there is nothing WRONG with the chip, no, it isn't a valid reason to RMA it or anything like that. BUT, the 'problem' you've been experiencing IS a valid discussion topic, and DEFINITELY an aspect of the chip that should be considered before being purchased by anyone.

August 22nd, 2007	#16
One4yu2c I don't know how to put this, but, I'm kind of a big deal. Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Land of the Lounge Lizards Posts: 2,786 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Stop me if you've heard this one........ Article's been updated at the bottom - have a peek.

August 22nd, 2007	#19
Lead Head Join Date: May 2006 Location: Rhode Island USA Posts: 1,716	Re: Stop me if you've heard this one........ Interesting bug to say the least, one thing I'm not sure if you considered or not is that when you set the FSB to 415, some part of CPU has to be running at 415MHz, not necessarily the execution core, but a part of it that communicates with the FSB, maybe its possible that one little piece cannot operate at that speed, effecting the rest of the CPU? I know RangerXLT said that at one time his Pentium D would not run at stock speeds anymore, but ran fine OCed. Very weird, his might not be on the budget, but could you try getting another E6850 and see if the results are similar? Opteron 64 165--1.5GB DDR--ECS KA1 MVP(thanks HL!)--x1800GTO 256MB--Seagate 320GB SATA--Antec 550 Watt--Antec P180

August 22nd, 2007	#20
Jokerswild ButtHead Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 5,291	Re: Stop me if you've heard this one........ Thats an expensive piece of hardware to buy just to confirm it sucks. I would think we'll see more reports before long about this problem.

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