E8500 or Q9450 ?

[RA1D]

would you mind sharing the details of the rest of your upcoming build?

[Ibn Saeed]

I did not post my entire list as i could not find the appropriate forum.

Here is the list which I would like to order.


1).

Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3L Core2 P35 DDR2 SATA2...
Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3L Core2 P35 DDR2 SATA2...

2).

eVGA e-GeForce 8800 GT 512MB DDR3 PCI-E 2.0...
eVGA e-GeForce 8800 GT 512MB DDR3 PCI-E 2.0...

3).

Corsair 2GB PC6400 800MHz 240-Pin DDR2 RAM...
Corsair 2GB PC6400 800MHz 240-Pin DDR2 RAM...

4).

Corsair 57228 520W HX Series ATX Power Supply
Corsair 57228 520W HX Series ATX Power Supply

5).

Intel Core 2 Quad Q9450 Quad-Core Processor, 2.66...
Intel Core 2 Quad Q9450 Quad-Core Processor, 2.66...

6).

ZEROtherm Nirvana NV120 CPU Cooler - Socket 775,...
ZEROtherm Nirvana NV120 CPU Cooler - Socket 775,...

7).

Western Digital WD6400AAKS WD Caviar SE16 SATA...
Western Digital WD6400AAKS WD Caviar SE16 SATA...

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Here are the parts which are available Locally in UAE:

1). GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3R LGA 775 Intel P35

2). Thermaltake Armor (Casing)
or
3). Thermaltake Kandalf (Casing)

4). XFX Geforce 8800 GT 512 MB

5). Samsung LCD MOnitor 22" 22WM

6). Kingston 2GB DDR2 RAM

7). Thermeltake Power Supply 600 Watts

8). Western Digital 5000AAKS 500 GB (Internal)

9). Zalman Cooler (but i am interested in Zerotherm Nirvana)

Cant find Q9450 or Nirvana Cooler Locally.

Does the GPU need a Cooler ?

Also, which thermal compound should i buy ?

[drew and not u]

Looks like a good list you've got there. I've had at Thermaltake Armor, and if you don't mind the sheer bulk of it, it's an awesome case, especially if you get the version with the side panel fan. As far as thermal compound, I recommend Tuniq TX-2.

[Ibn Saeed]

Originally Posted by drew and not u

Looks like a good list you've got there. I've had at Thermaltake Armor, and if you don't mind the sheer bulk of it, it's an awesome case, especially if you get the version with the side panel fan. As far as thermal compound, I recommend [url=http://www.xoxide.com/tuniq-tx-2-thermal-compound.html?productid=tuniq-tx-2-thermal-compound&channelid=FROOGTuniq TX-2[/url].

I will ask the store if the case they have has a Side Panel ?

What about Thermaltake Kandalf casing ?

How many Tuniq TX-2 would i need to order ? 1 or more

[One4yu2c]

Originally Posted by Ibn Saeed

How many Tuniq TX-2 would i need to order ? 1 or more

Just one tube. There's enough in there to accommodate SEVERAL processor installs.

[Boy'nBlack]

Ya know, this "better" multitasking is very very relative. He could get an e2160 and probably feel a lot better at multitasking than what he has. It's a better core alone by 10 fold, and then it adds another core. This $65 CPU would be a quantum leap from the old bird in there now.

Just using that as a fulcrum though. I can't fathom spending $350 on a CPU in expectations that it'll be superior for such a long time. The price of the Q6600 makes it very attractive against all other CPU's at this point. You could get two of those for pretty much what it take to get one Q9450 shipped out. The only perk I see in suggesting the Yorkfield is the ability to run it at 1-volt. Maybe the cache will pay off in the long run...

I'm just not in synch with spending that much money on a socket that will be replaced in 6-months. I'm also not really digging why the 8500 is so rampantly suggested when the 8400 is just as good. This is very relative and anything will obviously be better. But at what cost?
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There are no "Q9450 coolers". If it's s775, it fits. From there, you have a sea of choices. Intel is starting to ship their new coolers with the X-models (Extremes and some Xeons) and is really pretty good for an included cooler. Might see one on eBay for a buck?

[Ibn Saeed]

Originally Posted by Boy'nBlack

Ya know, this "better" multitasking is very very relative. He could get an e2160 and probably feel a lot better at multitasking than what he has. It's a better core alone by 10 fold, and then it adds another core. This $65 CPU would be a quantum leap from the old bird in there now.

Just using that as a fulcrum though. I can't fathom spending $350 on a CPU in expectations that it'll be superior for such a long time. The price of the Q6600 makes it very attractive against all other CPU's at this point. You could get two of those for pretty much what it take to get one Q9450 shipped out. The only perk I see in suggesting the Yorkfield is the ability to run it at 1-volt. Maybe the cache will pay off in the long run...

I'm just not in synch with spending that much money on a socket that will be replaced in 6-months. I'm also not really digging why the 8500 is so rampantly suggested when the 8400 is just as good. This is very relative and anything will obviously be better. But at what cost?
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You have made a good point and now im confused !!!

Back to my initial question, should i go for Dual or Quad in the long run ?

[polobunny]

Personally I would go with a dual core such as the E8400. I bought one back in February and I too hesitated whether to get a dual or a quad.
My penis envy told me to get a quad core, but ultimately reason smacked me and made me realize a dual core was much more suited for my needs.
Actually, there's very little people needing a quad core CPU.
The E8400 is an awesome CPU which runs amazingly cool and has an incredible bang for buck ratio. :)

[Boy'nBlack]

Well, then with that answer first comes the question (hate to answer questions with questions): What do you do with your computer? What do you see using your computer for in the next year?

Longevity is obviously not an issue. A move from what you have does not have to be right to the current middle or upper class. You've shown that already with your 1.7(?) which was the end of the road back when. Kindly, your timing stinks! It's again at the end of the road for the current blend of gear. I'd normally state an upgrade path, but now there is none for either side. Zilch.

Based on what you're "surviving", an E7200 would be highly advisable for your CPU. Plant it in a P35 chipset board of your choice (or discussed), some very cheap DDR2-800 ($45?), an ATI HD3970 for $120 at best buy, and you have a really killer rig.

What you do with your rig means everything about dual or quad. Many have quads, few use them. Duals are superior in all but the most applicated apps. I've still found few in what I find off-beat uses (use to be normal) that actually put the other two cores to work. I don't mean getting off idle and sharing some load...work. Games, internet, music...don't really need the extra burden.

The argument lies in 4 years from now in which you're aiming. Not happening. You can, at best, build a good willing computer for 2, maybe 2-1/2 years. What is new this very second is archaic then. Not to be rude, but that's what you have. Archaic. I gloss about dually MP 1.7's...been a long while since using something like that. Just moving up to date is the key, and not upgradability. So usage comes into question. Well you be serving up a home server? Frag some nubs out online? Do some Netflix rapid ripping and burns? All can be done easily with what is now low-cost parts suggested above.

The field is leveled at this very point. The E7200 is a wolf in hamster clothing. I know. I have a hamster costume too. For under $500, you can have a dream machine of 6 months ago that would cost triple that. Build for dual, but state why you need quad. eBay will have quads in the same socket if you feel you just have to have them. I have an account :D

[Ibn Saeed]

Originally Posted by Boy'nBlack

Well, then with that answer first comes the question (hate to answer questions with questions): What do you do with your computer? What do you see using your computer for in the next year?

Longevity is obviously not an issue. A move from what you have does not have to be right to the current middle or upper class. You've shown that already with your 1.7(?) which was the end of the road back when. Kindly, your timing stinks! It's again at the end of the road for the current blend of gear. I'd normally state an upgrade path, but now there is none for either side. Zilch.

Based on what you're "surviving", an E7200 would be highly advisable for your CPU. Plant it in a P35 chipset board of your choice (or discussed), some very cheap DDR2-800 ($45?), an ATI HD3970 for $120 at best buy, and you have a really killer rig.

What you do with your rig means everything about dual or quad. Many have quads, few use them. Duals are superior in all but the most applicated apps. I've still found few in what I find off-beat uses (use to be normal) that actually put the other two cores to work. I don't mean getting off idle and sharing some load...work. Games, internet, music...don't really need the extra burden.

The argument lies in 4 years from now in which you're aiming. Not happening. You can, at best, build a good willing computer for 2, maybe 2-1/2 years. What is new this very second is archaic then. Not to be rude, but that's what you have. Archaic. I gloss about dually MP 1.7's...been a long while since using something like that. Just moving up to date is the key, and not upgradability. So usage comes into question. Well you be serving up a home server? Frag some nubs out online? Do some Netflix rapid ripping and burns? All can be done easily with what is now low-cost parts suggested above.

The field is leveled at this very point. The E7200 is a wolf in hamster clothing. I know. I have a hamster costume too. For under $500, you can have a dream machine of 6 months ago that would cost triple that. Build for dual, but state why you need quad. eBay will have quads in the same socket if you feel you just have to have them. I have an account :D

Alright, i get do get the point you are making.

My main work on the computer is related to Programming and Web Designing. Only occasional games, for e.g play once/twice per month.


But i have a habit of running a lot of programs side by side. My taskbar is usually filled with applications. I dont like waiting for multiplie programs to open.

I wont go as far as E7200, I do want to get the latest specs. I dont want to go with ATI cards again. I already have an ATI card. I would like to go with nVidia's geforce this time around.

I think, I am beginning to lean towards Dual Core from Quad Core because of some reasonable arguments :)

I am getting Intel Dual Core E8500 Locally for $296.00

Quad Core Q9300 Locally for $292.00

I have asked for the pricing of Q9450.

What did you mean that you have an account at eBay!